Figured this needs to make its return since many of us are stubborn and have yet to return our wonderful Vista Gaming machines. I'm gonna do a write-up on how to setup a dual-boot system for those of use who insist on gaming on these wonderful bug free systems (sarcasm). Just let me do it in word and then edit in here so I don't loose anything and I can spell check it (look for it later today, got nothing better to do at work). Look for updates, give input and suggestions, bump it or make it sticky until Toshiba/Microsoft/Nvidia get off their lazy bums and fix it for us (more sarcasm, I'm such a nice guy too).
First off a disclaimer, my instructions worked on my Notebooks, doesnt mean it will work for you. Use at own risk, if you screw something up its your fault, not mine
Please read through all of this before attempting any of this and take notes!!!
Now lets get into things, Toshiba in their infinite wisdom decided to release a slightly more affordable gaming Notebook as a reasonable price point. The Toshiba Satellite P105-S9722 came with Windows XP Professional preinstalled and played most modern games with pretty good performance. It came with a Vista Express Upgrade offer that could be redeemed via the Toshiba website which were recently send out to people and I have gotten my copy, Windows Vista Business. The trouble didnt start until after Vista was released, Microsofts new flagship Windows Operating System. The P105-S9722 was discontinued and Toshiba launched 2 new Satellite P105 models, the P105-S9337 with Windows Vista Home Premium and Windows Vista Ultimate edition (all the bells and whistles). Many people who heard if how well the S9722 preformed made a leap of faith buying these new models, or had no choice after returning their prior models due to bugs and this is where the trouble started.
First thing you will notice with the 2 new models is that they have trouble with video playback: it stutters and skips. This was the first sign that something was wrong. Next DVD playback, same problem and third, most importantly, games also carry this stutter. Thus far there has been no conclusive cause for these problems; Toshiba, Nvidia and Microsoft all blame each other for the problem and there are theories about power hungry Vista to not enough FSB on Notebooks. The point being nobody knows the underlying cause of this yet and the best part if you call tech support they blame the user, note how after you determine that they cant fix it over the phone how they dont immediately switch you to their servicing center to send it in. They will refer you to bring it into a local licensed shop, but any other problems you call about they generally give you the choice to drop ship it or a servicing provider. Also Toshiba will tell you a flat out lie that no other reports of this problem has been reported and that this is unique to you, I dont know about you, but I know I called them to b**** them out enough and others have reportedly done the same.
Possible solutions for Vista based problems: Nothing in Vista has worked solidly, nor for everyone and some of the updates and solutions have caused new problems (nothing serious, maybe Aero turning off or the likes while playing video). The Notebook comes with Forceware 97.54 installed on it and knowing Toshiba, no chance of a newer version ever coming out. For this very reason we have Laptopvideo2go.com so we can find the newest versions of Nvidias drivers with modded .inf files to let us play around with it and find the best possible drivers for our systems. Ive found that any of the 1xx.xx (referring to forceware with version numbers greater the 100.00) show vast improvement on my system. Some prefer the later 9x.xx or 8x.xx drivers, but I found the best results using tweaksrus.com XTreme-G Forceware Drivers version 101.70 M6 and Media Player Classic install from the latest K-lite Mega Codec Pack (version 2.01) improved video playback greatly in Media Player Classic (also Purevideo drives, but they cost money). Some improvements were also noted in Windows Media Player, Media Center and DVD Player programs, but it just plays noticeably smoother in Media Player Classic. I have not tried VLC yet, but that might also show improvement.
On a note, not everyone seems to be sharing in my successes and still experience problems and also some forceware seem to turn off Aero when using VLC and Media Player Classic (101.70 seems to have fixed this, everything below is sort of hit and miss in 1xx.xx). Also some tweak .inf files dont seem to contain the right command for proper cooling of the video card and can get quite hot, if some could put the commands here, I would appreciate it. And while these tips seem to help they dont fix the underlying problem of stutter in game, but have shown improvement. This is where dual-booting comes into play.
Dual-booting is a way to put two operating systems on one system, in this case Windows XP and Windows Vista (your flavor of choice and availability). This problem appears exclusive to Vista and users using XP report no serious problems. Here are things to remember and consider before doing this: you are uninstalling the factory install of Vista that Toshiba put on and thus voiding support whist using XP or Dual-booting. This doesnt you void your warranty, just means before theyll talk shop with you, youll have reinstall off the restore disc. Please note, this is not in stone and Toshiba, being the company that they are could change there policies and could make it that you screw yourself at any time you change something with your OS. Seeing their level of support and willingness to tell you to get screwed as is, Im willing to take my chances. Again, this is at you own risk.
Things youll need for the more standard method of dual booting, one copy of Windows XP, one copy of Windows Vista and the appropriate drivers for each OS. Youll also need to change the notebook to boot off of CD/DVD Rom in the bios or the nifty Toshiba System Utility thats included with your notebook.
As for the copy of XP, there are several ways to go about this. First off, buy one, but considering how prices on XP have not gone down there are four alternative methods. A Toshiba Satellite P105-S9722 restore disc, if you can find one. This will install a XP factory image on your Notebook and will install most of the needed drivers, not all. It may ask you to register/activate our copy, you can either hope it doesnt or use you Vista key which should work, from the user agreement says you can use it in XP, might wanna call MS on this one to ask (ask about dual-booting and using same key). I just ran repair the time I used this method and entered one of my XP keys I wasnt using. After that you can use Partition Magic to make room for Vista or leave it as is and joy (youll still need to find a couple of drivers). Next you can use a Windows XP SP2 OEM CD, again using the Vista CD key, again I suggest calling MS and asking about this. Or you could use a corporate copy of XP (best solution, good luck finding one).
Windows Vista should be easy enough; you should have gotten a Vista Express Upgrade disc with you S9337, if not, you can order one from MS for $7 bucks, either the 32bit or 64bit (Im keeping this simple and sticking to 32bit a.k.a. x86). These are discs with all versions of Vista on them and install them based on the key you enter or a 30 day trial version if no key is entered. This disc also will install upgrade versions as full versions in one shoot (clean install) because they have upgrade disabled on them, neat trick to remember and very useful. Or you can install your own purchased copy of Vista, but seeing how expensive Vista is, you will probably end up using the key Toshiba provides you with. Its your copy; do with it as you please. Once its installed you more than likely be asked to activate, it may fail, no big deal. Its still the system that this copy was intended for and a simple, I had to reinstall should work, but it's more than likely going to be no questions asked. You could even switch it to your desktop, but that would require a good excuse so MS will reactivate it.
And lastly the drivers: this may be a little more tricky. You can get the drivers for XP either from the S9722 disc, if your so fortunate to find one or from http://support.toshiba.com and the Portables>>Satellite>>P105-S9722 download section. I was wrong in my original belief that they removed the XP drivers - you must use the filter at the top to find them (if not go to the P105-9312 instead). A good thing to do before getting started is to go to your device manager in Vista and note the hardware. On the surface the S9722 and the S9337/S9339 are the same notebooks with the same specs and hardware, but whether it is a newer version of the bios or different hardware, the XP auto installer for the Conexant HD Audio and Conexant Audio/Voice Modem will not install them. You will have to use the extracted files for each and use the have disc method everyone knows and loves from around here in a similar fashion as the above video card one to install them. Do not use Vista drivers in XP and vise versa, unless otherwise noted. They will cause problems like you have not experienced before.
You will need to install XP first. Make sure to format the hard drive and create a partition to install XP on. You can create the one for Vista when you install Vista. Also, do not divide the HDD (hard drive) into 2 equal sized partitions. Its up to you, but its better to choose on of the 2 partitions to store all your media on. The OS will not be able to run a program installed on the other (theres a way to do this, but I dont recommend it) so I suggest you still give a good chunk to the secondary OS. For example on my notebook I have XP on a 70GB partition and Vista on the remaining and store all my media in my user folder in Vista and have a shortcut to it in XP. You can have a smaller partition, but remember to consider your games and their patches/expansions/mods will take up some space. Give XP or Vista, whichever is your secondary at least 60 to 80GB. Some just people Ive talked to only give XP 30GB, but at 70, Im already at 80% full.
As for good Nvidia drivers for XP, I found that most of the 84.xx from here work well with the Toshiba and GeForce Go 7900GS. I use the Tweaks R Us 97.94 and really like them.
This should be enough information to get started with. Good luck, and enjoy gaming on your new dual-boot notebook!
Someone seems to have figured out a solution to the audio problems and had a positive responce, seeing as to I no longer have this Notebook I have no way of testing it.
You might want to try this driver on your Satellite, it might fix your microphone input:
I had the same problem on my Satego P100 10U and that driver fixed it for me (Satego and Satellite notebooks are kinda the same, Satego is just an european only model). Not sure if it works for you, but it should be worth it to give it a shot.
It's this driver:;****************************************************************** ; CVHDAUD.INF >> wis30B5a.inf ; ;Abstract: ; INF file for installing the Conexant Function Driver for ; Venice High Definition Audio Device ;[tab][/tab][tab][/tab][tab][/tab][tab][/tab][tab][/tab][tab][/tab] ;****************************************************************** [Version] Provider=Conexant DriverVer = 11/22/2006, 184.108.40.206
Edited by ®®®, 09 August 2007 - 10:07 AM.