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Posted 07 January 2005 - 09:43 PM

UPDATES
  • 2006-12-01: merged Pieter's thread ("Recover from bad flashing with automated NVIDIA VIDEO BIOS flashing procedure) into this one.
  • 2005-09-29: added table
  • 2005-07-05: [Bay Wolf] reports that Inspiron 600m and Inspiron 8500 "have the ability to boot from a USB external floppy drive, USB CD, USB hard drive or a USB memory key."
Anybody has experience in getting a TOSHiBA Satellite 5000/5100/5200/Dynabook to boot from an USB Stick? I used USB booting on Desktop PCs succesfully for years but Somehow it's not possible (for me or generally)on this Laptop! Even though an external TEAC USB floppy drive CAN successfully be booted from. :)

Must be a BIOS limitation i figured.

Now after weeks of frustating tries i got a nice collection of tools which i will post here, but still i haven't reached my goal to get rid of Floppy drive and use the much comfortable USB Stick which as main reason why i want that is getting rid of the capacity limit of Floppy Disks and *speed*.
Today i got an 128MN SD-Card and used a Toshiba tool to make it bootable, but also booting from an SD-Card is NOT supported by BIOS though it's an feature which the TECRA series has and in my humble opinion would be nice if there is some way to also implement it in the BIOS of Satellite 5xx0 series.

Currently i use the SWISSBIT Twist 256 MB USB2.0 (Hi-Speed) Drive with USB-FDD, USB-HDD, USB-ZIP Boot capabilities (Legacy supported BIOS). You can create 2 partitions with their tool (SecureLOCK, download HERE ), one can be "secured" and only be accessed with a given password, the other one can be written and read without passwort.

Here are my findings, facts & assumptions, listed without order and not printable (brainstorm ?.../):
- there are 4 USB Boot Modi existant: USB-FDD, USB-HDD, USB-ZIP, USB-CD
- it seems that there even is kind of an USB-FDD emulation mode in Tohsiba 5205 (as seen in the hardware.ini file of the Toshiba Hardware application (WinBIOS), which enables the recognition and booting of USB Floppy Drives
- USB Sticks in common use USB-ZIP boot ID
- there are a few USB Sticks available which support more than 1 USB ID for booting like SwissBit.com and another one
- SD-Card booting is supported by TECRA series and there is an official tool existant from TOSHIba for that
- Drive Letters for USB Drives should be A:\ (or B:\) if you want to use tools to access the Stick and make it bootable (WinImage or OEM Tools), if not in certain cases (not always) you cannot access certain functions)
- most of the mainboard BIOS on modern (>2002) Desktop PCs support at least USB-ZIP or all USB-Boot Modi
- I don't know how DELL handles it or other laptop manufacturers.


Laptop ................ | bootable from SD-Card? | boots from USB .. |
**********************************************************************

Portege M 200 ......... | yes .................. | ................. |
Portege M 300 ......... | yes .................. | ................. |
------------------------+------------------------+-------------------|
Portege R 100 ......... | no ................... | ................. |
------------------------+------------------------+-------------------|
Satellite 5205-S703 ... | no ................... | ................. |
------------------------+------------------------+-------------------|
Tecra 9100 ............ | no ................... | ................. |
------------------------+------------------------+-------------------|
Tecra A2 .............. | no .(no SD-Card slot). | ................. |
Tecra A3 .............. | no ................... | ................. |
------------------------+------------------------+-------------------|
Tecra M1 .............. | no ................... | ................. |
Tecra M2 .............. | yes .................. | ................. |
------------------------+------------------------+-------------------|
Tecra S1 .............. | no ................... | ................. |
------------------------+------------------------+-------------------|
------------------------+------------------------+-------------------|
DELL Inspiron 600m .... | ...................... | yes.............. |
DELL Inspiron 8500 .... | ...................... | yes.............. |


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Posted 07 January 2005 - 09:58 PM

Booting from a Flash drive is definetely possible, I have done it on the PC I built, or atleat I could, I could probably stick some games on one and test it, but it works just like putting a floppy in (even asks you to remove it if it is not a boot disk).
I am pretty sure it is a BIOS or motherboard limitation, if you can't figure out how to mod the BIOS to, you might need a new motherboard.
Speaking of flash drives, this one looks really sweat:
http://www.newegg.co...-214-009&depa=0
I think that is the smallest one I have seen, and it has a large capacity.

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Edit: Since you mentioned Dell, this is what Dell basically says:
"We do not support booting from an external device"
Atleast on my laptop and others, maybe on newer laptops or desktop PCs they do. (the IXPS perhaps?)
For me to do it on my laptop I would probably have to have a hacked BIOS.

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Posted 18 February 2005 - 11:58 AM

Alienware BOOT-IT v1.0 (USB Drive Boot Utility)
For keys 512MB or less.
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Posted 18 February 2005 - 12:18 PM

Format Utility for HP Drive Key or DiskOnKey USB Device

HP USB Disk Storage Format Tool v2.0.6 (Windows GUI version)
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HP USB Disk Storage Format Tool v1.00.012 (Console version)
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Posted 18 February 2005 - 12:37 PM

KINGSTON DataTraveler Elite Boot Utility v1.1.0.6 with instructions PDF

seems to not work with 3rd party USB Devices...

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Posted 18 February 2005 - 01:24 PM

TwinMOS more downloads: HERE

TwinMOS Format & Partiton Tool

doesn't work with 3rd Party USB drives

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Posted 18 February 2005 - 01:29 PM

MBRTool v1.0.6 & HelpFile

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Posted 18 February 2005 - 02:07 PM

PQI USB Tools Download HERE

PQI Intelligent Stick Format Tool v2.0.1 (doesn't work with 3rd Party USB Drives)

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 12:03 PM

Today i found an interesting table from some nice german Linux guys ( http://pro-ite.de ), which shows the tested ability of SD-Card booting @ some TOSHiBA Laptops:

Laptop ................ | bootable from SD-Card? | miscellaneous ... |
**********************************************************************

Portege M 200 ......... | yes .................. | ................. |
Portege M 300 ......... | yes .................. | ................. |
------------------------+------------------------+-------------------|
Portege R 100 ......... | no ................... | ................. |
------------------------+------------------------+-------------------|
Satellite 5205-S703 ... | no ................... | ................. |
------------------------+------------------------+-------------------|
Tecra 9100 ............ | no ................... | ................. |
------------------------+------------------------+-------------------|
Tecra A2 .............. | no ................... | no SD-Card slot . |
Tecra A3 .............. | no ................... | ................. |
------------------------+------------------------+-------------------|
Tecra M1 .............. | no ................... | ................. |
Tecra M2 .............. | yes .................. | ................. |
------------------------+------------------------+-------------------|
Tecra S1 .............. | no ................... | ................. |
------------------------+------------------------+-------------------|
------------------------+------------------------+-------------------|
DELL Inspiron 600m .... | no ................... | no SD-Card slot . |
DELL Inspiron 8500 .... | no ................... | no SD-Card slot . |


If anybody want to contribute with his SD-Card Bootability findings feel free to post your experiences here. I will add it to the table.

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Posted 04 March 2005 - 08:25 AM

Here's another nice reference: http://www.marlow.dk/usbkeys

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Posted 06 March 2005 - 10:20 PM

And this one is from HP (also very detailed and informative):
http://h18004.www1.h...sb-support.html

Download of another HP Drive Key Boot Utility:
v7.11.3790.0 :) | 28,2 MB :)
http://h18023.www1.h...load/21621.html

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Posted 07 March 2005 - 08:25 AM

The HP utility in the 4th post didn't quite work for me and ended up formatting the wrong drive. It's early and I had to update something, in any case it listed the correct name, size but wrong drive letter and I forgot I had an external attached and lost it. A recovery I will go. Now it says my main partition is the F drive. Crazy.
Incidently the first program posted worked better. (Boot-It 1.0) It did give me an error when setting up the location of the image files but worked fine after putting a trailing backslash.

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Posted 07 March 2005 - 08:42 AM

Hopefully the external drive had NTFS for easier data recovery. Wrong Drive: maybe checking the boot.ini :) will help.

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Posted 07 March 2005 - 10:19 PM

It was NTFS and I got most of what I needed back. No harm.

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Posted 20 March 2005 - 01:19 PM

I found some interesting links, it seems like the HP utility is just a "nicer" fdisk, so it works with almost all pen drives, but on the other hand does not fully use the capabilities of the controller chip.

On the pen drive itself, there is a controller chip, each make use a different "family", see this review:
http://www.digit-lif...wen-xmicro.html

There are at least four or five "families" of chips, the utilities are made by the chip manufacturer and "customized" by the pen drive vendor.

This is the only vendor that explains a little:
http://www.supertale...ash.com/faq.php
http://www.supertale...om/download.php

These are the Prolific chip ones:
http://tech.prolific...r/v_fileBrw.asp

Some links to utilities (which might or might not work on your particular key):
http://www.universal...d/downloads.htm
http://www.usbnews.n...0enclosures.htm
http://www.mashingto...ec_download.htm

Here are some more articles anout the Partition type (not all MB support some type of partitions) and geometry problems:
http://fuzzymunchkin...yfob/index.php3
http://www.damnsmall...rg/talk/node/86


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Posted 21 March 2005 - 05:26 AM

Thanks for the info & links :) . That's a lot to read :)

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Posted 06 June 2005 - 04:09 AM

I have put together a small tutorial on how to make an USB key bootable:
http://home.graffiti...B/USBstick.html

Also have a look at this thread here:
http://www.911cd.net...showtopic=10806

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Posted 08 June 2005 - 02:22 AM

:) Your guide seems to be extremely well done :P A good reference.

Unfortunetaly it does not cover any Laptop specific issues. Anyways thanks for the update, jaclaz :)

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Posted 05 July 2005 - 12:55 PM

[Bay Wolf] reports that Inspiron 600m and Inspiron 8500 "have the ability to boot from a USB external floppy drive, USB CD, USB hard drive or a USB memory key."

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Got a problem with my cruzer mini disk 512mb I formatted it and now the computer will not pull it up. What do I do to get it working again?

Thanks for any help you can give me

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