LSudlow Posted March 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Yes, that's the one we were looking for. Please try the attached version, when you get a chance, and see if it helps. Thanks! nv4_disp.inf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Joel Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Sorry to say that it didn't do the trick. There're a few things I've been wondering about. On the TV-out thread, someone mentioned that TV-out requires the 50 Hz setting. I can only take it down to 60 Hz. In that I first saw the B/W problem after updating from the Windows Update site, can I just drag your INF into the INF folder after rolling back to the old "color" driver, and in that way, benefit from your performance tweaks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSudlow Posted March 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Unfortunately, no. The installer will draw all its information from one inf or the other. Since you can still get color when you use the original inf, we should be able to solve this. The inf attached to this message is a direct copy of all the original Dell settings. Try it when you get a chance. That will tell me if I'm looking in the right section of the inf or not. Also, as an experiment, can you try installing driver version 71.84 with my nv4_75_disp.inf? Sometimes people with this problem have had success just by switching to a different driver version. Thanks! nv4_disp.inf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Joel Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Reinstalling 67.66 with the INF you sent didn't do it. I then installed 71.84 with the INF under 30.53, but that INF was named nv4_disp.inf--no 75 in the name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSudlow Posted March 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Ah! It sounds like you might be using Pieter's inf rather than mine. Both of mine are at the bottom of the first post in this thread (on the first page). See if that helps. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Joel Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Uh... guess what? I had installed Pieter's. With 67.66 with your INF from the first page works just fine! Sorry about causing you all the effort, but thanks too. Joel :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSudlow Posted March 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 No problem! I'm glad it's working! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Leo Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 Hi, sorry I haven't didn't reply earlier about your suggestions, I've been tied up with work... I tried 71.84 using your NV4_75_disp.inf, and it did fix the problem with the Sims 1. But then I tested it with Homeworld 1 and it had the same blurring problem (in D3D mode, though it works okay in software mode). Also when I shut the lid with the computer turned on, the screen usually just shuts off and when I open the lid it turns back on, but with 71.84 it wouldn't come back on ever... Anyway, you may remember from my first post, I was previously using 53.03 successfully and only changed because it didn't like a new OpenGL game, well now when I go back to 53.03 the OpenGL game still works so I guess something else was updated and hasn't gone back even when reverting to the old driver... And it works perfect with Sims and Homeworld. But I would still like to use 67.66 with it's updated features. I don't even care so much about the Sims not working, I can just go back to 53.03 when I have the rare moments of playing the Sims, but I also discovered another problem : I'm missing the 'Full Screen Video' tab from the nVidia control panel. It's really important for me, since it allows me to automatically have video played on the tv-out for my wife while I'm working on the LCD. The tab exists in the 53.03 control panel with the old version of Pieter's inf that I was using, is it possible for you to add the Full Screen Video tab into your inf? And also, with 67.66 the tv-out is only black+white, even after confirming the correct NTSC setting. (unlike the guy above who was experiencing the same problem but was using Pieter's inf, I'm definitely using your current correct inf) I have attached the old version of Pieter's inf which I was using with 53.03, which should include the Full Screen Video tab and works in full color tv-out. Bye, Leo nv4_disp.inf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSudlow Posted March 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 Try the attached inf with driver version 71.84. It should fix the missing Full Screen Video page. (You need to be in DualView mode and you need to disable VMR on the Overlay page for it to show up.) I appreciate you're pointing it out.. I hadn't realized that one of my earlier changes had disabled it. If this version works for you, I'll make the change on both version of my inf on the main page so you can go back to 67.66 if you want to. Also, please let me know if this new version solves your smeared pixel problem and/or the black & white TV problem. It may or it may not. Thees are tougher since I can't reproduce them here. Make sure that this inf is the only inf in the driver set when you install, and be sure to use the "Have Diak" method of installation. To get rid of old settings that may be interfering, it's a good to to into the Control Panel's Add/Remove Programs applet and uninstall the nVidia driver, then, before you reboot, use a driver cleaner like "Detonator RIP" or something similar to make sure all the old settings are removed. When your reboot, don't let Windows install a new driver automatically. If you use the "Have Disk" method, it should work. Thanks! nv4_75_disp.inf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Leo Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 Hello, Like the other person who wrote about his problem recently, I have to apologize because it seems my problems were not at all related to your inf... I followed your advice and tried the 71.84 with the special inf you made for me, and the TV-out was still black and Sims and Homeworld were both still blurry. But, I hadn't tried totally removing the driver and using Detonator RIP... So I tried a complete driver removal and then Detonator RIP, then re-installed 71.84 and the special inf, and it fixed all my problems! So then I tried going back to 67.66, and everything still works perfect, the TV-out is color, and no blur in the games. In fact even the 'Full Screen Video' tab re-appeared even though I'm using the non-updated - I didn't know that VMR had to be disabled from the Overlay, thanks for the tip! After testing that everything was working perfect with 67.66, I then reconfigured all the nVidia control panel settings to how I like them - performance settings etc, then tested the games again - and they had become blurry again! So through trial-and-error I found that the problem with the blur was caused by activating forced anti-aliasing (instead of allowing application-controlled AA). But I had definitely tried disactivating the anti-aliasing in the past during all my testing with these drivers, and the blur problem was always there even when AA was application-controlled, so I guess the problem was fixed when Detonator RIP removed some AA settings that had somehow got stuck in the system and weren't being changed when I tested different settings... So anyway, now I have everything working perfect, TV-out in color, nice 67.66 driver with your great 5150 inf, full-screen-video working fine, and no complaints. THANKS. I just have one small suggestion, maybe you could add another resolution into your inf, I always use 1152x864 because it gives much more desktop space than 1024 but isn't so tiny like 1280, I do know how to add it manually to the inf but perhaps you could make it a standard resolution in your inf's? Thanks for all your time, Leo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSudlow Posted March 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 Thanks for the update, Leo... I'm glad it's working! I'll see what I can do about adding that new resolution to the inf. Thanks for the idea! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobilenvidia Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 Larry replace nVidia's resolution bits HKR,, NV_Modes, %REG_MULTI_SZ%, "{*}S 720x480 720x576=1;320x200 320x240 400x300 480x360 512x384 640x400=F;SHV 2048x1536x32=1;1920x1200x32 1920x1440x8,16=1D;640x480 800x600 1024x768 1280x768 1280x1024 1600x900 1600x1200 1920x1200x8,16=3D;1920x1440x32=9;1920x1080=C01E;2048x1536x8,16=D;{1A0}S 1920x1200x32 1920x1440x8,16 2048x1536x8,16=20;800x480=3D;{40-18B,1F0-34E}SHV 800x600=1DC2;848x480=1DFF;1920x1080x32=1F;640x480 1024x768x8,16=1FC2;1600x1200x32 1920x1200 1920x1440 2048x1536x8,16=2;" HKR,, NV_Modes, %REG_SZ_APPEND%, "1280x768x32 1280x1024x32=2C2;1280x720x32 1280x960x32 1360x768x32=2FF;1600x900x8,16=3C2;1600x1024x32 1920x1080x8,16=3F;1600x900x32 1600x1200x8,16=42;1152x864x32=6FF;1280x768x8,16 1280x1024x8,16=7C2;1600x1024x8,16=7F;1280x720x8,16 1280x960x8,16 1360x768x8,16=7FF;1024x768x32=FC2;1152x864x8,16=FFF;{40-CE,110-14F,161-18B,1F0,210-34E}SHV 1280x800x32=2FF;1280x800x8,16=7FF;960x600=DFF;{40-CE,140-14F,161,1A0,210-21E,301-34E}SHV 2048x1536x8,16=10;1920x1440x32 2048x1536x32=4;" HKR,, NV_Modes, %REG_SZ_APPEND%, "{40-CE,140-14F,161,210-21E,258-25B,288-34E}SHV 960x600=1000;{40-CE,140-14F,161,210-21E,301-34E}SHV 1920x1440x32=10;1152x864x32 1280x720x32 1280x768x32 1280x800x32 1280x960x32 1280x1024x32 1360x768x32=100;2048x1536x32=1A;1088x612x8,16=1FFF;800x600 848x480 960x600=200;1088x612x32=FFF;{4D-4E,CE,14E,258-25B,288-289,308-309,32A-32B,338-33F,34E}SH 960x1200=803D;{4D-4E,CE,14E,338,33F}SHV 800x600 1024x768 1280x1024 1600x1200 1920x1154 1920x1200=8032;" with this: HKR,, NV_Modes, %REG_MULTI_SZ%, "{*}S 320x200 320x240 400x300 480x360 512x384 640x400=1FFF;SHV 640x480 720x480 768x576 800x600 1024x768 1152x864 1280x720 1280x768 1280x800 1280x854 1280x960 1280x1024 1360x768 1366x768 1400x1050 1440x900 1600x900 1600x1000 1600x1024 1600x1200 1680x1050 1920x1200 1920x1440 2048x1536x8,16,32=1FFF" It will add lots of LCD/CRT/TV resolutions that I use in my INFs. It also enables refresh rates up to 240hz. Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSudlow Posted March 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 Thanks, Pieter! Much appreciated! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSudlow Posted March 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 March 20, 2005: - Added additonal screen resolutions. (Thanks again, Pieter!) - Improved overlay handling. As always, please let me know if you spot any problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamika007z Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 LSudlow, How was the overlay handling improved? The reason I'm asking is because I just started modding *again* and this time it's for the Quadro4 700's on Dell systems. If you could take a look at the INF and offer me any help whatsoever on what I could add to improve things that would be great. I have it pinned under the same place this thread is, under "Utilities, Tools & Software". Thank you :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSudlow Posted March 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Hi, John... My old settings weren't consistently launching the Full Screen Video page and these seem more reliable. (You still need to be in DualView mode and you need to disable VMR to get it to appear.) Also, for some reason, the 5150 doesn't accept 52 as the first entry in OvelayMode2. It always switches to 50 in the registry, so I finally accepted defeat and now use 50 in the inf. If you want to see what overlay settings are actually being used in the registry, you'll find them in HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Video. The values change according to the options you choose, so it's a good place to research your default settings. EDIT: On your inf, I recommend pulling out everything except what you need for the 8200/M50 (hardware identifiers and various subsections for different GPU levels). It will simplify your modding and will prevent people accidently using it for other machines that might not work with your settings. Good luck with your modding! I'll be glad to share any info I have. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest joe Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 I have a dell 5160 with Go5200, SXGA+, (format-reinstall) xp-home sp2, most-up-to-date Dell drivers, updated bios. I try to install nVidia's driver (I think it's 71.84?), and I get the message, no applicable software for your hardware (not that exact wording), and it won't install. any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSudlow Posted March 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Hi, Joe... That problem is the very reason we're here. NVidia doesn't include mobile chip support in their drivers (although they work fine) and Dell's (and other laptop manufacturers) drivers are frequently out of date. Since you're trying to install 71.84 (which is an excellent driver) download nv4_75_disp.inf from the bottom of the first post in this thread (on the first page) and put it in the same folder that you've extracted the driver files to. Remove the inf file that came with the drivers and use the "have disk" method to install the driver. The instructions are here. It should work fine, but let us know if you have any trouble with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamika007z Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Thanks LSudlow! I will leave the entires for the other Dell models for now because I don't think it would be bad at all with them... It is, after all the NVDM.INF in essence. Also, I don't know if you've gotten this, but on my Sony widescreen LCD projection TV (52"), I get the picture in black and white. Everything appears just as it should on the television set, it's just black and white. Is it my TV or am I missing something? I have tried all the settings for detection, such as NTSC, etc... Thanks again! Kamika007z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 You are talking about the 71.84 driver right John? I have been having problems with this driver and TV out no matter what INF I use. (although the Dell one seems to work a tad bit better) I also tried changing a whole bunch of options in the Dell INF trying to fix it, but ended up breaking more stuff, so I left it alone. :) I was having problems with it being too big, not black and white though. One I8200 user has TV output too big, the other only gets black and white, sigh..... :) Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSudlow Posted March 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 The black & white problem is one of our most persistent headaches. Although it seems like it should be an inf problem/solution, identical infs perform differently for different users. Sometimes a different cable solves it. Sometimes a different driver version does. I've never found an inf setting that causes or fixes it. We probably should add a thread on this to our FAQ page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest joe Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 omg sorry, I feel so dumb! I just assumed the inf was for souping up the driver and making tvout work, not to make the driver work in the first place! awesome, I'll try it out right now. thanx! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest joe Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 thanx, worked awesome. I guess the best ways to watch movies is do 800x600 and clone? thanx again! (now I just gotta sort out why my cpu is always full speed and only showing as one processor) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSudlow Posted March 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Yes, 800x600 Clone is probably best unless you need to work on the laptop while watching a movie. It sounds like you need to download the updated P4 driver from the Dell website. It enables SpeedStep and supports Hyperthreading. (Make sure you have Hyperthreading enabled in your BIOS.) Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamika007z Posted March 27, 2005 Report Share Posted March 27, 2005 Darn black & white problem. I hope we come across something and figure this crud out. :\ I thought it was my TV to begin with all along. Thanks, John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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